Learn how your comment data is processed. Though the muzzle velocity may be rather sedate in comparison to some cartridges, the .450/400 3-inch is a wonderful cartridge for buffalo I took one in Mozambique in a trim Heym 89B double and even for elephant. They all essentially replicate the .450 NE's ballistic formula of a 500-grain bullet at 2,150 fps. The .700 steps up to a 1,000-grain bullet, propelled at 2,000 fps, with an energy yield of 9,050 ft.-lbs. It was at the top of the heap, until insurrections in both India and Sudan resulted in the English ban of all .45 caliber ammunition, resulting in the development of many replacement cartridges, but more about that in a minute. While the 9.3x62 will get the job done, many African countries require a minimum .375 caliber round. I have both, and while the 460 is more powerful, with a muzzle break, I don't think it kicks a hole lot more than my ruger no. Weatherby offers a couple cartridges in this bore diameter, and both are faster than the H&H velocity. Mag. The .458 Winchester Magnum remains one of the most . All these cartridges will stop ferocious beasts at close range. WTK .416 weatherby vs. .460 weatherby The Art of the Rifle: General . The .505 Gibbs Magnum, with its huge case, was introduced by George Gibbs in 1911. The rifle was a right-handed bolt, and Selby shot it left-handed. This had the effect of turning lots of very handsome and very expensive firearms effectively into boat anchors. The gun weighed around 11 pounds and had a mercury recoil reducer and a generous rubber butt pad. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. of energy. ), large game (1500 ft-lbs), and dangerous game (3000 ft-lbs.). 460 WEATHERBY MAGNUM. What do you get when you neck a .375 H&H case up to .458? .460 Weatherby Magnum vs .458 Winchester Magnum, .460 Weatherby Magnum vs .600 Nitro Express. You could also try loading .458 lead 'plugs' in readily available and inexpensive .375 H&H brass and fireforming for your practice sessions. Back to that British ammo ban in the early 20th century, many of the cartridges for double rifles saw the light of day because of the scramble to fill the void left by the .450 Nitro Express. November 6, 2002, 07:05 AM #2: Al Thompson. Or a 600 grain bullet at 2400 fps you are maxed out. After WWII, when the supplies of British ammunition began to dry up, Winchester saw an opportunity to fill the void, introducing their .458 Winchester Magnum in 1956. 400 gr A-Frame (.367 BC/.330 SD) at 2400 fps. It is claimed that the new 458 Lott is an improvement over the 458 Winchester Magnum since its higher velocity supposedly results in more lethal impact-effect and deeper penetration. While exquisite double rifles have been seen as the ultimate solution to this problem, most people, even those who can afford a two week hunt in Africa, most often choose a bolt-action, magazine fed rifle. That's way more than the other .416s and even more than .458 Lott and nips at the heels of the .505 Gibbs. Weatherby also entered the .458 game in 1957, with their .460 Weatherby Magnum. The .460 Weatherby Magnum provides a significant step up in performance over other production .458 caliber (11.6 mm) cartridges. As a result of his experience, he lengthened the .458 Winchester cartridge case by .300 and called his creation the .458 Lott. Once almost obsolete, this wonderful old cartridge has made a big comeback in recent years. Lighter bullets were made available for hunting smaller game, and they certainly work fine for deer, impala, kudu, elk and the like. PPU RNSP (L), Federal 260 gr. Where the Winchester cartridge uses a 2.500" case, Lott used the .375 H&H-length 2.850-inch case for additional powder capacity, and it obtains a muzzle velocity of 2,300 fps with the 500-grain bullets. I have killed two elephant with it and one with the 470 NE. Even so, the .458 Winchester Magnum set the standard for dangerous-game cartridges. My 115 lb wife shoots my 416 Ruger with 400gr solids with no problem although it's not pleasant. The 458 Win. It is also referred to as the .458 3-inch. Most ammunition manufacturers load factory ammo for it, and most rifle manufacturers make rifles chambered for the round. The words, Dangerous Game, evoke a classic image: well-heeled hunters who scour Africas vastness for The Big Five. To others, it is a week spent in the rain to find a thousand pound brown bear amidst Kodiak Islands infamous, tangled alders, or a stand-off with an irate moose on a narrow trail carved into three-foot deep snow in Montana. It is imperative that you shoot your big bore rifle accurately and without a flinch, so it's one of those situations where being honest with yourself will result in a happier and safer hunting experience. That said, the .458 Win Mag is designed to fit in a standard length action rifle while the longer .458 Lott requires the use of a magnum action. Parent case: .378 Weatherby Magnum Case type: Belted, bottleneck. It depends on your needs. lbs is quite an increase in footpounds over the lott at 2300ft/sec. Read Next: Q&A: Westley Richards L.D. Nosler Ammunition, This ancient round was originally designed for black powder, and in that form, it goes back to the 1860s. Not well known in the States, the 9.3x62 is popular in Africa and Europe. Hand loaders can achieve much better performance in many instances. (Cordite is stable in disgusting climates, and looks like strands of uncooked spaghetti. Would need a new bolt though. Note that Roy Weatherby killed and dropped, in its tracks, a Cape Buffalo with one shot from his .257 Weatherby Magnum. Cartouches flash-ball; Cartouches 9 mm; Cartouches 8 mm; Cartouches de dfense calibre 12; Cartouches de dfense calibre 16; Cartouches blanc; Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. UPC : 682146420487. 22-250 remington. 460 Weatherby Magnum Rated out of 5 based on 1 customer rating $ 209.00 - $ 219.00 Introduced in 1959. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. The .460 Weatherby Magnum provides a significant step up in performance over other production .458 caliber (11.6 mm) cartridges. The .458 Winchester Magnum became the world standard dangerous-game cartridge rather quickly, due in part to the fact that both the ammunition and rifles to shoot it were very substantially less expensive than British-made rifles, particularly since no ammunition was being produced for them. With a high-BC bullet, the .416 Rem. Detailed performance figures are summarized in the table at the articles end. Never hunted dangerous game but I am pushing 325/350 grain bullets at 2500-2550 fps. The harshest winter in recent memory has taken Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. Needless to say, he didn't win the wrestling match and was hammered pretty good. would get the nod for a mule deer hunt. mag. do you find a cartridge with as much devastating power as the .505 Gibbs. Glad you enjoyed reading my article as much as I enjoyed writing it. Rifle Recoil Table. Stay tuned for a follow up piece devoted to doubles. However, during experimentation, the case ended up at 2800 inches. <p>New 2nd generation redesigned version. This test did not include such cartridges as the .375 Ruger and .416 Ruger, or the big-bore Weatherby Magnums, to name just a few. 220 swift. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Barnes Vor-TX Safari ammo in .458 Lott. 458 MCW EXPRESS. He had an adverse encounter in Mozambique with a buffalo where he suffered some injuries. The .600 is bigger, heavier and slower: a 900-grain bullet at 1,950 fps for 7,600 ft.-lbs. Because it gives you two aimed shots quicker than anything else. .458 Lott. Into this mix especially for North American hunting we should include the .45-70 Government and the .450 Marlin Express. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Although the.378 Weatherby Magnum case was influenced by the.416 Rigby case, it is regarded as a one-of-a-kind case that has served as the parent cartridge for various high-performance cartridges. For instance, a CZ 550 Safari Magnum chambered in .458 Lott is a capable rifle at both short range and out to about 200 yards, is very reliable, holds six cartridges (five in the magazine and one in the chamber), weighs less than 10 pounds with a scope, is an excellent dangerous game-stopper, and can be purchased for less than $2,000. Its an ancient round that was designed by W.J. .375 H&H Cartridges. Far too much emphasis is placed on bullet diameter and not enough on velocity as well as penetration. The.460 Weatherby Magnum is intended to have headspace on its belt. I think the 375 or the 9.3 Mauser might just be the happy one gun place for the majority of people out there. It does require a magnum-length action, but that's not a problem. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. Though the case is nearly identical (though not interchangeable) with the wildcat .416 Hoffman, the .416 Remington Magnum is the ballistic twin of the .416 Rigby, albeit at a higher pressure. 5,5 mm 5,6 x 52 r . Released in 2000, the .450 Marlin was developed by Hornady to offer the ballistics of the hottest .45-70 loads, but in a belted cartridge that would feed easier than the rimmed .45-70. I am glad somebody considers me a young pup! Just $1 per month , When youre facing an angry Cape buffalo, lion, or elephant at rock-throwing distance, youll want one of these six serious stopper rounds, By about norma; faq; . The.460 Weatherby Magnum cartridge may be loaded to perform similarly to the.45-70 Government and the.450 Rigby. It wasn't a huge success, but the design is sound. BC quantifies a bullets aerodynamic efficiency, and SD predicts relative ability to penetrate into a game animal; the larger each number, the better. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The huge .505 Gibbs is not for the faint of heart, but will most definitely stop a charging animal. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. It has less recoil than the .375 H&H, but its lower velocity limits its range. You don't want to show up under-gunned on a Cape buffalo hunt. 458 ULTRA CAT. Rifles chambered for such exotic sounding names like .470 Nitro Express (NE), .475 #2 NE, .500 NE, and many others, along with the necessary ammunition, began showing up in both Africa and India. It was a straight-walled case based on a shortened .375 H&H Magnum, driving a 500-grain bullet at an advertized velocity of 2,150 fps, matching the ballistics of the .450 Nitro. .458 Lott VS.460 Weatherby Magnum. Mag. You're welcome. Only when you move up to the .460 Wby. I have not yet released the 458 Lott because ammunition is very expensive. 470 n.e. Quantity on Hand: 1. One caveat regarding the .405 Winchester: it was, and is, designed for a 300-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,200 fps, and that bullet has a relatively low Sectional Density (.252), so please be aware that can have a significant effect on penetration. I'm a bit late this week because of involvement in a deer hunt; so let's get to it! Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. We now have much better and a greater variety of both, that really has brought the round to its potential. It was, and is, a very effective cartridgesome say better than the .470 NEand it is considerably cheaper. What Lott was looking for was a. Considered to be the world's largest, most powerful shoulder-fired cartridge, the 460 shoots a 500 grain bullet at 2,600 fps, delivering an incredible 7,507 foot pounds of muzzle energy. 500 gr. The author analyzed the 9.3x62 Mauser, .375 H&H Magnum, .416 Remington Magnum, .404 Jeffery, .458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, and .505 Gibbs for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. None other than famed African hunter and .416 Rigby devote, Harry Selby, once remarked about it, No finer cartridge has ever been developed. I couldnt agree more. Lott's condemnation lead to decreased sales for the .458 Win Mag until Winchester switched to a more temperature stable powder in the 1970s. and monish watch out it looks like he wants to indulge in some suspect passtimes with you !! Loaded with more aerodynamic bullets, the 9.3x62 will do anything a .30-06 can, and with more thump on the business end. In Stock. . While the "standard" calibers especially with modern bullets can handle 90 percent or more of the world's game, these cartridges are usually reserved for the big beasts. Few, if any, cartridges are as versatile as the .375 H&H. He had an adverse encounter in Mozambique with a buffalo where he suffered some injuries. To celebrate the launch of our brand-newDanger Issue, all week long well be publishing close calls and cautionary tales of the most dangerous game and the big guns you need to stop them. Necking up the .378 Weatherby to hold .458-inch bullets, Weatherby surpassed the energy figures of the largest cartridges, to create the most powerful cartridge of all. A-Frame (.361 BC/.341 SD) at 2300 fps. The .458 Winchester, which was supposed to be the ballistic equal of the .470 NE, was not. These were not welcome attributes for a dangerous-game rifle. Also the 270 or 300 grain bullets in the 375 have a lot less recoil than the 500 to 550 grain bullets. John Rigby & Co. released the .450 Nitro Express in 1898, to improve the performance of the old .450 Black Powder Express by using modern, smokeless powder. Another bullet took a large buff from behind the rib cage, quartering forward. Sometimes you got the full 2150 fps behind your 510 grain bullet and sometimes you didnt. It is hard to compare these two cartridges because of the difference in trajectories and energy's. The 375 H&H shoots a lot flatter than the 458 Lott but the Lott has 1200 to 1300 ft/lbs more energy. Wow. A double rifle is perhaps the best choice for up close and personal dangerous game work. It has been used to take the tough Cape buffalo, with good success, but I personally feel there are better choices. The .460 Magnum just about extracted all the fillings in my teeth, and was so friggen LOUD, the owner recommended we use sponge ear plugs AND ear muffs. Subscriber Services. Seeing is believing which evaporates all of the old myths on how anemic smaller calibers supposedly are. at the muzzle and the .460 Wby. Bell who shot in excess of 1,000 elephants stated that the only cartridge he ever used that would always shoot right through an elephants head was his 6.5 mm with a 160 grain bullet. Professional elephant hunters used the .375 H&H and had no trouble stopping enraged elephants with this cartridge throughout their entire lives. The .416s are much more shootable, especially in a rifle of adequate weight (ten pounds or more). The .500 NE is largely the tool of professional hunters because its recoil is grim. Imagine a bullet arcing through a six-inch diameter pipe for a certain distance and you have the idea. With the right bullets, one can use them to hunt everything from pronghorn and Thompsons gazelle up through elk and kudu, plus every dangerous animal which walks the planet. 470 CAPSTICK. Jack Lott designed the .458 Lott after an unsatisfactory experience with the .458 Winchester and an angry Cape buffalo. The bottle-necked, rimmed 3 -inch case will achieve the magical velocity of 2,150 fps, and among the bigger cartridges, the recoil poses no problem, especially in the 10- to 11-pound double rifles. They are specialized projectiles used at close quarters to either stop a charge or follow up on a wounded animal. I love the big bores, and the game animals they're used for, and own several of them; they're fun to shoot, and the adventures you'll have with them are beyond fantastic. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. The guy who bought it was just as impressed with the Lott as I was. At first deemed over-kill, dangerous game hunters have warmed to this beast. Aero Precision. 416 Rigby or 458 win mag if I I had to chose one. Most experts agree BCs around .400, or larger, make bullets fly flatter and drift less in cross-winds. Factory bought cartridges are relatively expensive costing between $4.00 and $5.50 per cartridge. Secure Online Ordering (No Reviews) Free Shipping! Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. Effective range in this test is the minimum impact energy recommended for a humane kill on medium game (1200 ft-lbs. The .416 Rigby is by far the older of the two, the design of the London gunmaker John Rigby and Company, and appeared in 1911. When paired with a more aerodynamic bullet, the Three-Seven-Five becomes a genuine 400 yard hammer for large African plains game or North American elk. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Necking up the .378 Weatherby to hold .458-inch bullets, Weatherby surpassed the energy figures of the largest cartridges, to create the most powerful cartridge of all. Kills on one end and wounds on the other. 2 Jeffery, and most importantly, Joseph Lang's .470 Nitro Express, were brought about as a result of the ammo ban. I grew up reading books about Africa and Alaska. The gun trade has to live somehow and every rifle sale and purchase is money in their pocket. If your main goal is an elephant, buff, or hippo, or you need a no nonsense bear defense gun, the .458s or .505 would serve better if you can handle them well. Jack Lott designed the 458 Lott Ammo. 458 Winchester magnum; 458 LOTT; 460 Weatherby magnum; 470 Nitro express; 303 British; 8x57 JS; Munitions C02 et air soft; Munitions paintball; Munitions de dfense. 460 G & A No. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. It's the Hybrid 46M, and it's rated for all centerfire pistol and rifle calibers. The article, however, focuses on bolt-gun cartridges. 700 nitro side by side. of the Lott. In the early fifties, the Management at Olin Corp. saw an opportunity to fill the void by introducing their famous Winchester Model 70 bolt action rifle in some new chamberings, one of which was designed specifically for dangerous-game hunting in both Africa and India. Winchester addressed the problem and corrected it, but considerable damage was already done to the reputation of the cartridge. The powder Winchester had selectedit clumped inside the case in hot weather. It packs plenty of punch. Whether it's the buffalo, elephant and hippo of Africa, Australia's banteng and water buffalo, or the giant brown bears of the north, a worthy cartridge is like a good insurance policy. Howa ATIK5R3006 Ammo Boost Kit5 rd Howa/Moss/S&W/Weatherby 1500, Vanguard Black Polymer. 300 gr. It, along with the .375, is a great choice for Alaskan bear hunting where shots are sometimes on the long side, and it is a better choice if you have to dive into the alders after a wounded bear. Welcome to Danger Week. Without ammunition they were essentially useless. The plan maintained most of the features of the .458 Winchester Magnum. All the cartridges tested are similar in many ways, yet each is unique. System Mauser 98, Ammunition 500 grs, 32,4 g, 9500 Joule. Loaded to lower pressures with a 400 grain bullet, it becomes an instant .45-70 clone. A buff which a .458 Win. Selby became, courtesy of Robert Ruark, the most famous PH of all time, and his Rigby the most celebrated backup rifle.). Plus, it requires a magnum length action. Best bet with the Jeff is load your own and keep velocity where it belongs: between 2100 and 2200 fps. The culprit? Read the loading books and you'll see that a 460 can easily be loaded to the level of performance of a 458 Lott. 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