I made a Thein Top Hat out of some MDF and plywood and a 30 gal. Ive had one of these Harbor Freight Dust Collectors for 6yrs now and have had no problems with the unit. They discontinue models frequently and do not offer replacement parts. I went with the Wen. And because of the lack of back pressure better suction. https://wynnenv.com/woodworking-filters/harbor-freight-collectors/. Replace the 20 micron bag filter with a .5 micron cartridge filter. We do NOT want the impeller to start moving while our hands are in there! Donaldson P181099 Filter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KNIPIGA/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_VQ3MXY4J4VN4B1S9N3MM. The change in airflow / suction is quite noticeable. I will certainly invest in blast gates to manage the suction in the machine and to keep my runs of hose short. I too, have a Harbor Freight Dust collector. In lieu of the Wynn filter, the Donaldson P181038 filter is reported to be a direct equivalent to the Wynn 35a with a much lower price tag. I must say though, if you already have a Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector, GET THIS IMPELLER AND DO THE SWAP! Budget doesn't allow anything more expensive. But it is more than adequate for small shop dust collection. Using a Dylos and sanding MDF panels they tested 8 Units 5 bag and 3 canister DCs. I breathed in more dust cleaning the Wynn filter even with a mask then I breathed in using a canister with a handle in 10 years. JavaScript is disabled. Artistic wood studio custom wood furniture artisticwoodstudio.com, I finally used mine for the first time Saturday! The cap to the fan housing has a fitted gasket that makes the machine more efficient. I bought the HF DC as well. The internal baffle must sit on the bottom side of the DC? My old 35A uses tiny turnbuckles on the inside to hold it in place. The reduction in dust over a bag is amazing. Even if the specification on the Wynn were 10 times better and they are not, the dust during cleaning the Wynn is so messy that the Wynn just isn't better overall. I think Grizzly makes the paddle filter, and it is more expensive. More expensive, but the paddle, plus a few jolts to get the cleaned out sawdust into the bag, seems like a better setup than the Wynn. That modification made it very loud!!! Maybe I can arrange some things in the basement and run piping into the shop. I suspect a swap to a cartridge would make this unit into a stellar performer for half the price of the competition. pressure. Thanks A forum community dedicated to professional woodworkers and enthusiasts. This stuff is all used, and bought at around half the price of new. Harbor Freight list the part number mentioned, 97869, but also another 61790 that is also 2HP 70gal, best I can see the only difference is one has a solid base vs a frame? .5 micron Wynn 35a spun bond poly (washable) cartridge filter. Attach new ducting, or adapter to make it work with existing ducting. Upsize the inlet flange from 5" to 6". Madeline When we were installing my 5 hp clearview I wanted to test out the blower before I installed it 10 high. Welcome to my tale of setting up and working in my regular guys workshop. There are a few You Tube videos out there showing how to modify the HF dust collector to a cyclone system. I did change the bag to a 1 micron bag and I added foam gasket, like you use between campers and pickup beds, to get a better seal around the bags and both things helped a great deal. https://amzn.to/3nFicRJ. Set up a cyclonic separator of some sort. The two biggest improvements to my system (which was just cloth bags top and bottom) were: So can we see some pics of the bag holder you're using? So little is exhausted because of the cyclone, that it is no big deal. They run through Super Dust Deputy cyclones. Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America. It was pretty amazing the stuff the engineers left out when describing procedures. I finally got fed up with the leaks in my existing air hose jumpers such as from the compressor to the manifold just prior to the regulator, dryer, filter, oil separator assembly. I really enjoyed having this tool while framing our house, it saved a lot of clean up. i highly recommend the upgrade. This actually filters the dangerous dust, AND provides superior airflow. As has been said, it wont provide suction for an entire shop, but for me in my 1 man shop, it works great. That's what we called the written in Japanese, translated in Japan english version. It will behave like a totally different machine! It was good to find a use for that empty 55 gallon plastic drum I had sitting behind the shed. Using a 5mm allen wrench, loosen and remove the retaining screw turning clockwise. 
A forum community dedicated to router and woodworking professionals and enthusiasts. I have noticed over the years that foreign countries write their instructions in poor English or hard to understand English. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 2) The big Jets replaced an Oneida Gorilla cyclone, but only because I, now, turn the collector off and on frequently, which the big systems are not designed to do. I can now start the DC system from every tool to which it's connected. Hi Adam. I would suggest using 4 metal ducting, keeping your runs as short as possible, and minimizing the use of flex hose. This would actually save me some shop floor space since I would have 1 HF unit verses 4 other units. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); I have been quit happy with mine also 2HPDust collector Model 97869 $199.00. You NEED a gasket there! We simply have a rule that you can't have things visible over the fence without approval and meeting a visual guideline that matches the house. So, like many, I have the 2HP Harbor Freight Dust collector, upgraded to a Wynn 35A filter. The reference is to Wood magazine July 2017 (sorry no free link to that article). Its tough to know what to buy these days! I can attest to the good overall airflow as when I first set it up, it crumpled the trashcan like a soda can, I wound up having to reinforce the trashcan (after pounding it back into shape) with angle iron. I do plan, however, to add a cyclonic separator to keep the chips from clogging the 5-micron filter and plastic bag. This detail was unexpected considering the bargain-basement price. There is an increased startup amp draw, but it is not huge. Our HOA isn't overbearing, and has been flexible. I have a similar unit with a 1hp motor. At the time I researched it, the wisdom was that 5" was sufficient for flow assuming it's hard pipe with gradual bends and no hard elbows. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Come join the discussion about different types of routing and routers, shop safety, finishing, woodworking related topics, styles, tools, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Yes it is. I placed mine in a magnetic bowl while working to keep them from wandering off. what size PVC did you run? Sorry I have no way of measuing it, but there are folks that have done this swap and measured it. Match original flange to new flange back to back. When I bought the Oneida cyclone I talked to them about it and they verified this was good. My DC is a true 3HP with a monster impeller and 6" inlet. https://amzn.to/3DMrJfs You may want to use Wynn's floating gear latches to secure the filter, or possibly come up with your own rig. Fitted it with a 0.5 micron HEPA canister from Wynn. The three I have have been great for a number of years I highly recommend them. The manual was maddening, and actually mislead me in a number of circumstances; be warned! Come join the discussion about shop safety, wood, carpentry, lumber, finishing, tools, machinery, woodworking related topics, styles, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! BTW_ I had a cuopon and got it for $169.95, a bargain. Please submit links to how-to pages and videos, pictures of beautiful and amazing pieces you made for us to admire, or help you finish. If you wear it. It will increase the suction and is better for your health. Keep the trust washer with the screw in the orientation it came off. As you know from my Workshop page I own a Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector that is fitted with a .5 micron Wynn Environmental washable filter, which in over 10 years has never needed to be washed due to my Thien cyclone. For now I will use a 6x4x4 splitter, but long term idea is to rip out the dual 4" system, and run a single 6" main, and reduce to 4" or 2.5" as close to the tool as possible. There were enough pan-head screws included, however, so I decided to use these instead. The Ask an Expert section is currently for members of our online community. Despite taking 2 hours to assemble, Im pleased with the Harbor Freight Dust Collector. Any ideas? All the other bag units were in between (most of which were rated excellent). The reason I have what you want is, I never lent it out before. I also replaced the casters as one developed a flat spot and wouldnt roll. The gasket may stick to the flange, or the impeller housing. It works very effectively even on high producers like the 5HP drum sander. Here's a follow-up number he gave as an alternative, according to him"The p181038 is identical in size to the Wynn 35A ". Turn it on and verify function. There is so much volume of air going through that dust collector a canister filter would plug up in minutes. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The HF dust collector has likely changed multiple times since this review, but fundamentally it is the same machine. I normally build a tent in the shop out of thin painters plastic, but inevitably lacquer dust gets out and coats everything. OK, I answered my own question, it won't fit. Replace safety key and / or plug dust collector back in. Wynn Environmental makes an outstanding filter 35A274NANO at 0.5 microns. From what I've read, no, but from what I've seen I not sure a little bit of loss would out weigh the benefits. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, https://www.woodmagazine.com/workshop/dust-collection?page=1, http://forums.finewoodworking.com/fer-tools-and-machinery/dust-collector-reviews, https://www.woodmagazine.com/review/dust-collection/dust-collectors/grizzly-dust-collector, http://www.finewoodworking.com/2012/12/17/all-about-dust-collection, David Falkner - Woodworking YouTube channel, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The $150 is a better deal,I have three already 2 outside to cut down on noise and save on floor space,I find it easier and cheaper to have several HF DC units than to run a bunch of ducting. Seth has moved to a new shop that has a large dust collection system, so he no longer uses the HF DC. Sadly this turned out to be problematic as the first box of Ferrules I bought, advertised for 3/8" air hose do not actually fit 3/8" air hose, at least not 3/8" rubber air hose that has a measured O.D. Time to replace the old bag filter on my Delta Dust collector, can't hardly get it clean and the drop in airflow sucks :dash2: Has anyone out there used the Wynn Environmental 35A conversion to put a canister filter on their machine? The Grizzly work and bolts right on the HF, I prefer it over the Wynn by a pretty big margin. But beside that confusion, their site lists both of those as being 1550cfm? Please contact Harbor Freight with your question. I got the 35B filter so that I could remove the top for cleaning without having to remove the filter from the HF unit. So I have spent time over the last week sorting, cleaning, and fixing. For the Thien baffle, see the link above. If this is marketed as a 2hp unit with 1500+cfms and is insufficient for a whole shop, how can one compare it with other more expensive units? I sorted my small parts bins, and found I have WAY too many and WAY too varied fasteners. I am sure HD/Lowes would be good enough sources for your 6" pipes and fittings or would you need a lot of those? I've searched here and read a lot of threads about using the Wynn 35A and 35BA canisters. This will upgrade the inlet flange to 6" allowing connection of course to a 6" ducting system. I was able to pick up the pipe used, so for cost reasons, I can understand if you'd go plastic. I'm looking to get a canister filter for my HF dust collector. Violations to rule 1 including crude jokes, innuendo, sexist remarks, politics, or hate speech may result in an immediate ban. Once a week or so, depending on what I have been doing in the shop, I use compressed air and blow from the outside in to clean the filter and it makes a huge difference. Someone here did a tutorial on using a wok for the baffle. Sure be a lot easier than standing on your head undoing the hooks and getting all that dust falling in your face! Once a month, maybe every 6 weeks, I'll remove the top and use my shop vac to suck the dust off the Wynn filter material after I have blown the majority of it off with compressed air from the outside and the dust settles inside the unit. It replace a 1hp Delta I gave to a friend. 5 dust collector piping? It works very well and makes a HUGE difference. My DC is a true 3HP with a monster impeller and 6" inlet. In fact their heavy duty steel cyclone has 5" in and 6" out, which they said is ideal. The noise was an ear piercing scream like an air raid siren. I have not done it and (I have not read much about it) I'm not sure what the "internal" baffle does. In the upcoming months pull the 2 4" runs, convert to a single overhead 6" with a single 4" branch to provide under cabinet for table saw, and router. Very tiny beads that i used to make a dead blow turned mallet. For $27! My overhead hose reel, which I will have go to back in this blog itself to see how long ago I installed it, but probably at least 8, but maybe as much as 10 years ago. They have flex hose and blast gates, but if you want to set up a permanent duct system youll need to get some steel ducts or PVC. You are using an out of date browser. While it didnt catch all the sawdust I believe that is due to the Ryobi saw design rather than a lack of suction. I did upgrade it to a pleated cartridge filter for better dust control. All the bag units outperformed the Jet and Powermatic canister units (which were rated fair). I have some large outlays coming up next month as I'm buying a commercial building and moving the shop out of the garage before winter. https://wenproducts.com/products/340530916dc&_ss=r, I am using a Hydrofarm AC6F 6" flange that will need to be drilled to match the Harbor Freight mounting holes. Well the suction / CFM of this thing has always lacked a bit. Transfer the gasket if it is on the old flange, if not move to installing new flange on the impeller housing. All times are GMT-6. This is what I use on the outlet of my 600cfm wen dust collector pulling through an oneida super dust deputy on a 30 gal barrel. I will be getting the paddle type filter for the second one. I bought this same unit about 3 years ago. Vaughn said it better than I can, not to mention his DC is Plum crazy purple with a giant Hoover sticker on it Side flip conversion that rotates the impeller housing, and eliminates the hose between the impeller housing at the separator ring. It work, too. https://go.wwgoa.com/C20970. I did not assemble it as instructed though. I have 3 other small unites dedicated to machines but have considered selling them and getting another HF unit and running 2 hoses to 2 machines or running a pipe along the wall to connect all the other machines to. I don't know about you but I like my children roasted to a nice maple color. Yes, it's a bit tricky attaching the filter with the turnbuckles that Wynn provides, but it's worth the trouble, especially since it greatly reduces how often you'll need to remove the filter to clean it in the first place. Even the cloth bag needs a little cleaning from time to time. I have this unit hooked to my table saw and the other hose to my router and it does a good job for me and Im very happy that I purchased it. Makes sense to me. One with two 1 micron bags up and two plastic collection bags, the other is the same, but with canister filters on top. The difference was night and day better than the bag. Using center punch, and supported on an anvil of some sort like a machinists vice, dimple each screw hole location in the new flange, This will keep your drill bit from walking off. (My dust collector cyclone and blower is installed inside my shop because the shop is heated and cooled) it took me several weeks to build enough enclosure around the cyclone to quiet it enough to be able to stand it. Great question! In short, Ive had a little experience with dust collectors. I'm running 5" metal tube backbone and 4" drops (2.5 on some that have a 2.5 port, like the miter saw and DP). Unlike most Harbor Freight dust collector upgrades, I am not going to use a separate cyclone or seprator, but instead use a Thien cyclone separator in the separtor ring of the cust collector. Paul-WWGOA, I have one and am assembling my new shop in the basement. We no longer have this dust collector. I came across a version from Harbor Freight at a fraction of the cost as the closest competitor; less than $200** including shipping, so I decided to go for it. I need to research the threads on DC systems, particularly the HF one. 1) Two big Jets (3hp). If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails. You are going to need to drive it home though. Thank you, Hi William. Static builds up. Hi, Oscar. I would suggest 4 ducts, as it doesnt move enough air to effectively use 6 ducts. Happy Woodworking! This page was generated at 08:20 PM. So I suppose an option would have been to build it with the same stucco/wood/roof tile look, but that would be expensive and much more work. All of the online tests of this modification alone show increased CFM of at least 35%, and static pressure (vacuum) increases of at least 10%. I should have gotten one of these before starting my current project, lots of sweeping and vacuuming. It's true that they flow so much air they can clog quicker. Steve, some of us have shops inside the house, so better filtering is important for us. Before I added the baffle, I was having to remove and clean my filter about once a month. Ive read of people having clogs in their piping but have never know anyone to actually experience it. other than in my industrial experience. Unplug the dust collector, or at the very least, removing the safety key from the switch. When I finally realized that wood dust was overtaking my home work shop and was becoming a health hazard I got serious and researched dust control and dust hazards. This is after all my space, I could have simply jettisoned the unwelcome intrusions to my space, but I didn't. It was safely shipped with fitted Styrofoam packaging, and each part was protected from the other by cardboard or wrap. https://wynnenv.com/products-page/woodworking-filter-pricing/fgl-l-4/, As far as I know, the current Central Machinery 2 HP dust collector is more or less the same as the old one, but with a different base, and paint color. How long is the power cord for this? Seems like someone was asking for an alternative to a Wynn cartridge upgrade, According to Paul on another forum, you can use a Donaldson truck filter number P181099 on your HF dust collector. Sounds like a fire horn to summon voluntary firefighters. If you keep the duct runs short, run hard pipe to as close to the tool as possible, this machine should work well in a small shop. Thank you all for your input. Install filter per MFG instructions, or at the very least, using bungee cords, strap that sucker down. I bought a HF dust collector about 5 years ago as an inexpensive alternative and it worked fairly well, I retrofitted with a cyclone and a pleated filter, worked better yet. That seems like a lot of money. The remote control for the DC system arrived today. I am again finding tools I thought I had lost. So you've only done a baffle on the bottom half? Its performed very well. At the time I researched it, the wisdom was that 5" was sufficient for flow assuming it's hard pipe with gradual bends and no hard elbows. You must log in or register to reply here. Why wouldn't that work on the HF?One more question and them I think I have another project to do, but does this baffle restrict the air flow in any way, if so I'd be afraid that would not be good for the DC unit? Just want to get a few opinions before I drop that much on a filter . https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KNIPIGA/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_VQ3MXY4J4VN4B1S9N3MM, Learn more about Reddits use of cookies. While it doesnt have mind-blowing suction, it has plenty to capture dust when connected to individual tools such as a table saw, jointer or planer. So to alleviate this, I picked up a pneumatic ferrule crimp tool, and a box of ferrules, and went after making my hoses cut to length for this application. In my area (Oregon) the HF DC is always $199 and they have 20% off coupons close to every week that brings them down to the $160 range. I did a raincheck on one and am wondering if I need an extension cord at all until I get duct ran? When I bought the Oneida cyclone I talked to them about it and they verified this was good. I needed a new dust collector in a bad way. So without the baffle, I can watch a little tornado going in the bottom of my collector bag. Freight vacuum. Even if you could find one that would fit I wouldn't do it. A diamond is how coal reacts under pressure. Coat the inside of the bore and keyway of the new impeller with a light oil.
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