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Response to Robert Kidd that, it makes great light-duty padding for any number of Summer afternoons would really make the inside of that door a scorcher. Please tell us exactly what you're talking about.". Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2022, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. You immediately attacked me, grouped me with your imaginary bad-apples, ignored this: BONUS ROOM COMFORT SOLUTION post at http://www.EnergyHandyman.com/knowledge-library , and I promptly served you an a$$-kicking response in the middle of may. silence months go by no response.

We're discussing Insulation4Less and Prodex. They may be unhappy with some of the things they read on GBA, but they suffer in silence. gas-filled radiant barriers were invented by DOE Martin Thanks No more cracked dashboards, or steering wheels and belt buckles that are too hot to handle. Here are links to two products: http://www.amconservationgroup.com/products/EnergyConservationProducts/water-heater-tank-wraps/?variation_id=3606, http://www.jrproductsinc.com/shop/pc/R-10-Water-Heater-Jacket-with-Top-296p331.htm. Let us begin with the statement - Prodex Total Insulation is NOT foil faced bubble wrap. Ff - 16 Gotri Nandish Complex, Vadodara - 390021, Dist. I will be insulating a yurt in Vermont that was done in this way (not surprisingly, the bubble wrap is inadequate. Similarly, Insulation Solutions, the manufacturer of a 3/8-inch thick product called Insul-Tarp, claimed that the flexible tarp has an R-value equivalent rating of R-5 to R-10.

Why hasn't Mr. Holliday gone to the FTC about them? Its' Good to be Skeptical still SAD about the Title and Tone of this article 4/2, Lohia Wali Gali, Faridabad - 121004, Dist. For more information on R-value, see Understanding R-Value. 1701, Vasudeo Height, Mulund-Goregaon Link Road, Bhandp West, Bhandup West, Mumbai - 400078, Dist. Underslab When I built my garage approx 3 years ago I used Prodex under the slab. I am not saying I love the stuff but your blog makes it sound like there is no air gap when there certainly IS and air gap. Every contractor has unique talents, capabilities and constraints. for writing: Remember, it costs more than R-5 foam. Now stick to the point. 2. Some of them use the double bubble, in conjunction with fiberglass? foiled bubble wrap For you to change, we will need to convince you that your conduct is not in your best interest. Soon my entire attic is heated IN SPITE of the lack of radiant heating simply through contact with air. He looked down at me and said, "Touch me again." Response to Keith Morris (Comment #40) The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. He conveniently failed to mention the embedded links in the R-values on our website that open to test results showing the parameters of the test. Response to Richard Beyer Great -- another thing wrong with my house It is also 96% reflective which means it does the exact same job at preventing radiant heat gains in your building. I used emittance of wood 0.87 and emittance of foil/film 0.03. no low emittance wood-wood R=0.91 Raipur, Chhattisgarh, B- 406, Damji Shamji Corporate Park 4th Floor, Laxmi Nagar, Ghatkopar East, Mumbai - 400075, Dist. (The bubble wrap layer is unnecessary, since it adds cost to the material without adding any useful thermal performance.). Leaving the fiberglass batts in place, and installing foil-faced polyiso that is at least 1 inch thick, would be the best approach, in my opinion. I think it is -- in part because the scammers are still using exaggerations to market their products, and in part because the FTC has failed to shut these people down. I will be reporting this infraction to the FTC today. You named education as the best tool in our [meaning the GBA community] limited resource kit, and I think you are right. Another observation: in this application, an ordinary radiant barrier (without the bubble wrap) would work just as well, and would be cheaper. still pushed as high as R4.0 around here 3. But of course bubble pack has air, not vacuum in the gaps, which both convects and conducts heat energy from one side do the other. Jonathan Barber, It works great "with a big enough heater"! I have a radiant barrier against the rafters inside my attic. Tim, The fines associated with deceptive marketing is far less then the profit made. So, you are designing a "flat" (low-slope) roof that drains to a central ABS drain pipe, and you want to know how to insulate the drain pipe. Gautam Budh Nagar Ahmedabad, Gujarat, NITRILE/EPDM K-Flex Sheet - EC Class "1" With Ultra-fresh Antimicrobial Protection, Upto 49 Degree Celsius Roof Heat Insulation, Thickness: 13 Mm. Is Bubble Wrap Duct Insulation a Good Idea. I can fit several full rolls of Prodex (700SF ea.)

Thanks. open air space in crawl. 2) to keep freeze dried food packets warm while rehydrating on backpacking trips Seems to have done the job I wanted which was to prevent wintertime condensation freezing. In a way, it's like testing a miniature building assembly.

My cost including delivery on this particular purchase was about $0.25 cents per square foot. The authors of the articles on these sites can deceive by stating half truths about some products while cleverly promoting other products featured on their sites. The product you are describing is a radiant barrier. I foolishly installed one of these a few years ago only to learn that it provides very little insulating value. Richard, I can poke myriad holes in your arguments and we are talking about the wrong things in the first place. I guess because it's so much easier to go after little Insulation4Less and Prodex than whistle blow against the big boys. I own an air supported structure, a dome, and was hoping to install the double bubble foil lined product to cut down on heat loss. The answer is that if you install foil on both sides of the 3/4-inch air space instead of foil on just one side of the air space, the second layer of foil adds only R-0.15 (much less than R-1) to the assembly. I have ventilated the attic, but that won't stop the radiant transfer. For more information on radiant barriers, see Radiant Barriers: A Solution in Search of a Problem. It's no wonder the tactic of distraction is used - attacking competing products and providers on the subject of R-value.

Every building is unique. Seems this story is old news in the U.S. after all and as I stated above "Our government is slow to act and most probably may never act. He has this thing about radiant barriers and fly night companies coming and going. They'll claim the R-value of bubble wrap is exaggerated because it requires an air space. I am not condoning false advertising, but as a building scientist I don't care. Completely useless and waste of money. 'Farmtek' is another major retailer of this product engaged in serious exaggeration- selling it for barns and chicken coops, etc. Found your article while searching for an outlet that sells this product, lived off the grid in Northern Ontario and did the upper rafters with it, froze my ass off! Response to Greg Labbe The workers were electrocuted. ProDex.

It consists of fiberglass insulation with a vinyl jacket. Could not find any good info to verify the manufacturers claim. per se, especially as there's a half-inch gap around all the The mask used is impartial expert, advisor and protector of consumers. R2 is what I've seen for a single radiant barrier facing an enclosed airspace, varying with temp. Yes, they cause you to write with partiality. A. As you said, it's not appreciable. A good roofing contractor who is familiar with low-slope roofing systems should be able to give you a bid on the work you need: a new layer of rigid foam insulation, topped by new membrane roofing. My article exposing the bubble-wrap scammers appeared in the September 2003 issue of EDU. Copyright 1995-2022 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. You must be a magazine subscriber to access this feature. First of all, airtight construction techniques always improve the performance of a wall assembly. Insul-Tarp was, and still is, part of their radiant heat slab construction (http://www.eagle-mt.com/radiantmax/radiant_slab.php). -1/2" sheathing Just out of curiosity, how much of your time do you end up having to devote to responding to industry shills digging through old content and badgering you to change your writing to suit their commercial needs? I know your reader have paid to subscribe to this website and may be prone to believe you but even they can see that you're being deceptive. This won't delete the articles you've saved, just the list. If you want insulation, you should install insulation. The purpose of citing or linking the document is to impress the reader - to make him or her more inclined to accept the authors recommendations. The main purpose of your most recent comment, which includes a link to your web site, appears to be to promote your business. Thank you for the links. Pune, Maharashtra, Bakrol Industrial Area, Bakrol, Ahmedabad A. I agree that R-2 isn't much. Also, it sure seems like it makes the floors of our little house surprisingly warm and comfortable. You demonstrate the worse of people in the United States with what you're doing. 3) made squares out of it to sit on with the camp chairs 1172, J. D. Patel Estate, I. P. C. L. Road, N. H. No. 4) a great replacement for the ground cloth under the tent Independent reviews (bottom right of every page). I'll tell you a story Martin, when was maybe 11 or 12, I picked on a boy at school named Michael Mignone. If you want to see a photo of the domes, they are on our website at http://www.oaklandyard.com, Any insights you can give are appreciated. The only thing left is to see if he's big enough to admit it without more pressure being put upon him. can anyone please identify what sheet is this.. It is REAL insulation :-). With a staple gun and some tape I (we) can make miracles happen. The inner layer is comprised of a thinner material that is 72" wide and heat sealed in strips to the inside of the outer layer. ------- The best way to limit heat flow from your roofing to your house is to install insulation. Jin, I am considering bids by two roofers to put a TPO or PVC white roof on top of LOW-E 3/16 reflective insulation (on top of the existing single layer of asphalt). There are plenty of fantastic applications of Prodex featured there. in July, and the outer surface will not condense. 8mm reflective aluminum foil insulation sheets, size: 1.2 m Head Office, Ginni House, Plot No. Response to Sally Leong Evidently some radiant barrier manufacturers or distributors convinced a government official that radiant barriers are a type of insulation, and should therefore be eligible for the government insulation subsidies, just like fiberglass. The question remains will he remove his slanderous comments about Insulation4Less and Prodex now or later. You also can't defended your selective prosecution of us rather than the more blatant abusers in the market place - the big boys that advertise with you. Now that you have installed the bubble wrap, there is no reason to remove it -- unless there is a problem with the tape holding it in place. You however are promoting products on your website via advertisements. Good marketing and sales are supposed to create the most positive spin and it's up to an educated consumer to figure out if it's for him. The aluminum foil facing is a radiant barrier but does not contribute to the product's R-value. 113, Sunrise Tower, M.G. 2. In this case, it is facing air gaps on both sides. makes a good beer cozy On the contrary: our federal legislators decided to pass a law (16 CFR 460) specifically to address the type of crime detailed in my article. Address that question please? Mumbai, Maharashtra, 105/5 TCI Bus Stop, Bailappanapalya, Madavara, Bengaluru - 560057, Dist. Double Bubble Reflective Foil Insulation: (4 X 50 Ft Roll) Industrial Strength, Commercial Grade, No Tear, Radiant Barrier Wrap for Weatherproofing Attics, Windows, Garages, RV's, Ducts & More! That would increase their sales! 149,RUDRA INDUSTRIAL PARK,OPP. F-458, Sector 63, Noida - 201301, Dist. martin I once transported ~2800SF of PRODEX with my Focus which has a roof-rack and a hitch-mounted cargo carrier from my client's home where it was delivered to my shop where I keep it (2800SF minus the 240SF it took to wrap his knee-walls). It works, but foil faced EPS would be better. 11-74, 2, Pragathi Nagar Colony, Dilsukhnagar, Saroornagar, Hyderabad - 500060, Dist. They had hydronic heat. You know that reflective insulation is measured as a system. Road, Indore - 452001, Dist. Misleading article written by Martin Holladay, GBA Advisor Reader isnt it obvious - He's doesnt like that he's been called out. If not then I will add one more fact that incriminates your product. If you want a radiant barrier, you can install a shiny foil product (with or without the bubbles). Mr. Holiday - It's not fair or honest to cut off the disclosure to make your false point. Q. With a staple gun and some tape I (we) can make miracles happen. The issue is he groups everyone in the reflective insulation business as "bad apples". Mr. Martin Holliday conveniently cut off what it reads after the R-value. Scammers are still promoting this worthless R-1 product as insulation, Although reflective layers can be effective when installed correctly, they aren't the best way to insulate ducts, A roundup of energy-related products that you can do without. The only way 22-23, Nandanvan Industrial Park 2 Bakrol Dhamatvan Road, Bakrol Industrial Area, Bakrol, Ahmedabad - 382433, Dist. You are sad about the tone and title of my article.

Large airspace 3"+ Unsupported, non tested claims by him has been exposed for what it is. I have a guess but rather than conduct myself as you have and call you a "Bad Apple" as you have referred to us, we'll give you a chance to clarify for your readers what you really mean. It is a sad irony that those with power to fix the problem lack the will, and those with the will lack effective tools to address the problem. You wrote, "Claims by the manufacturer are exaggerated and they're expected to be. They are totally different in the way they are manufactured, packaged, sold, and the way they perform/install, not to mention the ease of installing a rolled flexible insulation compared to rigid foam-board. I use this product in the area where I house my indoor/outdoor container plants and start the veggie seedlings. Response to Rick Gough Documented, verifiable test results are documented verifiable test results. Perhaps it would help your cause to post your educational background. Road, Ajmeri Gate, Delhi - 110006, Delhi, Max Withstanding Temperature: 6 - 8 Degree C, Faridabad Why? The reasons why this product is good is because it's relatively easy to install, it will align itself with the curve of the dome, and, since this dome is a temporary structure, it can be removed in the spring before the dome is folded for storage. The dome make-up has two layers to it. "You wrote your article on March 24, 2104. For more information on radiant barriers, and how a radiant barrier can raise the R-value of an adjacent enclosed air space, see Radiant Barriers: A Solution in Search of a Problem. Response to Jin Kazama Reply to Adam Stetten Response to Jonathan Barber Jaipur, Rajasthan, Raja Park, Jaipur Adding interior polyethylene to this type of wall would only make the situation worse, since the interior poly would prevent the wall assembly from drying in either direction. Thermal Wrap Bubble Insulation Sheet, Thickness: 12mm, Size: 1.25 10mm Thermal Wrap Sheet, Size: 1.25 M X15 M, 6mm Thermal Wrap Insulation Sheet, Thickness: 6 Mm, Air Bubble Insulation Material, Thickness: 2-20 Mm, Size: 1220 Mm, Silver Double Side Met Pet Woven Insulation, Thickness: 1-5 Mm. Ahmedabad, Gujarat, Price Trend for Bubble Wrap Insulation Material. I agree that in a green site build where the designer has many options a sloped roof is preferable, but the type of construction Jin describes is what has been successfully done and continues to be the norm in Montreal. F. Your statement " Prodex was being manufactured and distributed out of Alajuela, Costa Rica -- a fact which may or may not be relevant to the legal sophistication of its marketers.)". I made window shades out of it. After tipping my hat to Derek Roff for his appropriate reminder, it's time to turn to your comments, Gerard. Response to Joel Rovnak Installing a radiant barrier in your roof assembly is a waste of money unless it faces an air space. They are totally different in the way they are manufactured, packaged, sold, and the way they perform/install, not to mention the ease of installing a rolled flexible insulation compared to rigid foam-board. Vadodara, Gujarat, Jaipur I currently have ducts in my unconditioned attic that are "insulated" with only foil bubble wrap. and provided your readers a way to see various GOOD uses of PRODEX, a versatile, effective and affordable product, only because you had gone so far out of your way to throw it under the bus in error voluntarily being negative. He makes no effort to inform the FTC for over a year of what he claims is such blatant and unfair practices but as soon as I post that he's being unfair - Time to go to the FTC and tattletale the same day! Five Reasons To Believe In Prodex Total Insulation. Having read all the posts for this article as well as "Radiant Barriers: A Solution in Search of a Problem," I am grateful for your expertise and substantial number of opinions and experiences shared by your readers. You spread your broad brush over an entire industry without taking the time do the extra research to make sure your criticisms applied to each company. May need bubble foil to stay cool to keep the beers cool instead of sunscreen to ward off mosquitoesto make solar cookers what else?? These products probably would have been cheaper -- and guess what, these products have an R-value. The reason that I know that is that I have been in nearly continuous contact with Newsome since at least 2003, when I first began contacting him about R-Value Rule violations by distributors of thin, flexible products containing radiant barriers or bubble wrap. The issue is the deception used - Pretend to be a non-biased advisor when in fact you're cleverly marketing a product with links in the article. Addendum to Martin; Twice I agreed with you that this stuff is of lessor value now I have but thrice I for one don't care what color my Prodex is and would buy the product if it were pink, blue, purple, or black, because I love the way it installs. But it's your house. "I just don't understand how you can group PRODEX with foil-face-bubble wrap! Why don't you they inform consumers of such? Hyderabad, Telangana, Max Withstanding Temperature: 10-12 degree, Indore We advertise and market the R-value of the system. The fact that the document is being misapplied and or doesn't draw the same conclusion as the author won't make a difference - the author knows most readers won't take the time to read the entire government document. Response to Lloyd Alter Why is it I have to tell Mr. Holliday's readership of this fact. Since the product often costs more per square foot than 1-inch thick rigid foam rated at R-5, why would anyone use bubble wrap as insulation?". However the one I bought did include 1/4" thick foam spacer strips to wrap around the tank first to help provide an air space before wrapping the foil around it. insulation foam garage door polystyrene insulating tips saving foil common That's not much. I for one don't care what color my Prodex is and would buy the product if it were pink, blue, purple, or black, because I love the way it installs. This was back in the year 2000. Jonathan, Air flow through a wall assembly indicates some type of builder mistake -- you certainly don't want to encourage it. I am not condoning false advertising, but as a building scientist I don't care. Jaipur, Rajasthan, 61, C/o Perfetc Dharam Kanta, Dhonde Khurd, Raipur - 493111, Dist.

To see how Radiant Barrier works, visit ourHow It Workspage. My geothermal radiant heating system was provided by Eagle Mountain. When is someone going to get around to prosecuting us?

I had an application where I looked at Insul-tarp and figured out in about 15 minutes (surfing on my iPhone) that the claims had to be grossly exaggerated and it wasn't the product for me. Rajkot, Gujarat, Ff - 16 Gotri Nandish Complex, Vadodara - 390021, Dist. Bob, I don't know why I did it, maybe I was just being a little brat. Response to Derek Roff 8 Ranoli X, Ranoli, Vadodara - 391350, Dist. I do know that traditional Mongolian yurts (or gers) are insulated with felt. I'm still waiting for you to post your professional educational background and accreditations. Response to Joseph King I don't know how many times I have contacted him about Insulation4Less, but it's more than once, that's for sure. We found it necessary to state what we thought was obvious because the misleading article on this website that group all reflective insulation into one bunch.. Foil faced bubble wrap is composed of either one (single bubble) or two (double bubble) layers of mylar air bubbles sandwiched between two metalized surfaces. Needless to say, pay attention to fire safety when you insulate your walls. Robert, We were so fast we insulated the garage door for free and still made a quality profit and the homeowner was and is thrilled. May 10, 2015 12:58 PM ET, Edited May 14, 2015 8:18 AM ET. Misleading article written by Martin Holladay, GBA Advisor Until you produce evidence, I won't believe you its even good for Halloween costumes- too expensive, unrecyclable and kids will complain about being too cold! You describe the location as "on the outside of a second-story, south-facing wall." My record speaks for itself.". However, if history is any guide, the underfunded enforcement arm of the FTC will be slow to respond. You've falsely slandered an entire industry and you included a couple of names that have no business in your article. Below, I have questions about the use of this material as one element in a "cool roof " system. I was counting primarily on the radiant barrier over the existing uncovered sheathing on a 2X4 insulated wall. "Costa Rica and its people are marvelous.". I couldn't find a good photo of a costume using foil-faced bubble wrap, unfortunately, but this example comes close. Mumbai, Maharashtra, Max Withstanding Temperature: -40 to +90 deg C, Bailappanapalya, Madavara, Bengaluru It reflects the light very nicely and has kept water off the dry wall. Should the government have been providing insulation incentives to installers of radiant barriers? I see that the govmint got money from the foil faced bubble wrap makers but that doesn't help me with my situation. Here you go: Prodex Headquarters are at Zona Franca Bes Coyol Alajuela, Alajuela 330-4060, Costa Rica. Bubble wrap for attic dryer duct. car windshields "You do sell insulation via your advertisers. Road, Indore - 452001, Dist. I don't live in my attic so a few degrees lower than it would otherwise be is good value for me. Hmmm is that because their products are vulnerable to comparisons? That's about what you get for R-value, however, when you install a shiny material facing a 3/4-inch thick air space. That background doesn't qualify you as an expert on insulation. I'm fairly sure that I know the answer to the question, but I don't really want to post the answer until I'm sure. Fortunately, we know what the air gaps do. My cost including delivery on this particular purchase was about $0.25 cents per square foot. As I have noted repeatedly in articles over these years, it doesn't take long at all to locate websites with absurd and illegal claims about the performance and R-value of so-called "insulating" paint, radiant barriers, and bubble-wrap products. To paraphrase Joe L,where were the adults when this level of insulation was deemed adequate. Sign up for a free trial and get instant access to this article as well as GBAs complete library of premium articles and You don't come out with it directly because you know damn well there is absolutely no evidence to support that conclusion. Reputable companies like CertainTeed and Owens Corning usually have representatives who are smart enough to avoid unfounded attacks.

Putting links back to your articles that repeat the same tired and deceptive information doesn't negate or address that fact. So the answer is: design your roof to drain to an eave -- or at the very least, to scuppers (plural). Can't support his contentions.

stops that typical chilly feeling of one's body heat radiating ? It doesn't give you the write to slander with unsupported claims. Radiant barriers have legitimate uses, as described by some above.

Thanks.I thought about the It still has a combined R value of 1 or less. Road, Ajmeri Gate, Delhi - 110006, Delhi, Khewat Khata No-43/46 Rect N0 17//24/1 Rakba 8 Kanal 0, Mujeri, Near Sector - 70, Faridabad - 121004, Dist. Heat Transfer Aluminium Foil Air Bubble Material, Thickness: 4-20 Aerolam Factory Shade Insulation Air Bubble, Thickness: 10mm, Aerolam Home Air Bubble Insulation, Thickness: 4.5 To 5mm. Jon, This bubble wrap is also sold as an insulating blanket wrap for hot water tanks. Mujehri Road, Balabhgarh, Sector 70, Faridabad - 121004, Dist. , US Energy Products 48 in. I really had my doubts and am glad they were eventually exposed. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-19/royal-commission-home-insulation-hears-industry-safety-concerns/5330948?ion=news, http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/home-insulation-industry-rep-told-not-to-rock-the-boat-inquiry-hears, http://environmentvictoria.org.au/insulation-safety, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-17/kevin-rudd-home-insulation-royal-commission-opens-in-brisbane/5325828, Labor government failed to heed safety warnings before the deaths of four workers in 2009 and 2010. But for an R=.75 value it doesn't seem worth it. You should remember that this website is frequented by architects, engineers and building scientists.

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